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Oct 12 06 2:28 PM

Yeah .. I was thinking that maybe we need to merge all the posts .. I think I found them all lol I could have missed one or two ...

At one point we have brought it up 3 times on the one page

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Jun 20 08 12:36 PM

Can anyone tell me if it is ok to feed our piggies the barastoc goat mix. We have bought small bags of goat meal from our local pet store before and mixed it in with the Jack o rabbit mix and wondering if this is the same and if ok. A lady I work with feeds it to her pigs but she has not alot of idea about the poor things (I am slowly educating her) so I wanted to check here. I just bought a 20kg bag and do not want to open it if it is not good for them.

Thanks for your help.

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May 13 09 12:12 PM

Hi guys I mixed up my own mix today and I had a lot of fun mixing ( brought back memeories of pony club and horse riding)

Walked into the produce store with my list and she went around putting it in the car for me. The only thing that she didn't have is the cracked lupins and she is ordering them in for me for Monday.

So my mix has Hygrain show torque, Mill mix, oats , lucern chaff and full fat soy bean meal.

She thought I had brought a horse lol hehe. Told her what it was for and she seem a bit offended as her feed was good made out of all things goat mix ha! Just didn't have molassas or oats in it, so would have been cheaper to buy oats and molasses and soybean and mix it my self. Walked out paying $88 for the lot (small heart attack!!)

Get it all home my car smelling devine of hay and lucernce chaff (youthful pony club, day dreams while driving NOT good)

Next problem WHAT to mix it in so I devided it up and mixed per bucket and ened up filling 4 x 20 litre buckets!!!! So there is about 7 weeks of feed for me UNLESS I get more piggy's hhhmmmm

It's good as this is a more balance diet for the piggy's and I will be able to cut back a little on the freash veg only a little as at this time of year it is cost me a fortune (they eat beeter than I do) and pick some grass for them on the side to keep the bills at bay.

So what do the piggy's think ? Well lets just say at feeding time today if 11 of my piggy's could have mugged me today for the bucket the would have. I opened the lid on the bucket next to scabbers cage and he went made sniffing at the bars and then running off and popcorning. Fawkes and Dumbldore? Heads have not came out of the bowl since I put it in there.

I'm still a little worried about the hight molasses content as it FULL of sugar and piggy's shouldn't have that much. Don't get if out in wild just has me a bit concerned but it does smell devine!

So I know have four buckets of feed and about 26 kilo's of Lucernce chaff left over out of a 27. 5 bag. Back off to the produce store to buy a big 44 gallon drumand $30 to store it in so I won't have to buy that for about another year!!

Any one want some in melbourne? Thinking of bagging up in to 5 kilo bags. Lynnlee do you need any?

Wow another novel and it is time for bed

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May 13 09 9:36 PM

Just remember Alana that lucerne isnt that great for pigs if fed all the time - we use oaten chaff or a mixed blend of a grassy chaff with oaten/barley chaff instead of lucerne..... you should see the popcorning then lol.... it's even yummier to them!

An idea for your storage....not sure about your bunnings, mine sell a Willow brand 60ltr rubbish bin for only $10 - I mix and store my food in these - so cheap and easy!

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May 14 09 12:06 PM

Just remember too not to overload on protein, Show Torque is already high in it so you will only need a very small amount of soy bean meal.
Lucerne is generally ok for pigs up to a year (or when they fully mature) then go with oaten or wheaten like Alina said.

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May 14 09 12:41 PM

I put a 1 kilo bag ot soy bean to the whole bag of show torque and only about a kilo if no less of Lucerne chaff I have heaps left over. And I am feeding them less of the whole mix than I would normally. Is that ok? And why did my post get posted here and in my other foram post? weired!!!

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Jun 1 09 5:05 PM

HI Guys,

just an interesting topic of discussion. I admitted to one of the piggy specialist vets this week that ACS Shelters do accept a grain mix in our piggy diet. I was discussing bloat and how it is caused by various veggies etc and don't know how i got onto it but admitted we feed a grain mix. Basically said I've been feeding my homemade one for more than 15 years with no ill health effects related to digestion. Now the only info i gave was that basically the mix we feed is about 70% wheaten, barely or oaten chaff with added oats and barley mostly.

Now what I find rather interesting is that naturally the vet said they don't recommend feeding grain mixes...didn't surprise me i wasn't expecting a 'yes wow awesome keep feeding it' sort of reply.

Now the funniest part of all of it is that the whole reason being that guinea pigs need a high fiber diet and the couple of vets I'm thinking of in bris state hay and veggies only.

My debate basically is that I don't see the difference.

I've been reading up on oxbow tonight and reading hte ingrients in their mix and the funny thing is that the whole idea is 'high fiber' and 'balance' and I've been comparing ingriendents and other supplements in their mixes with our own and the added supplements and ingredients are practically the same although our mixes are not compressed into pellet form. Wheat middlings and soybean meal for example are in the oxbow mix along with molasses I'm assuming for palatability and every supplement e.g. magenesium, potassium etc is all the same as in the mix that we feed.

I just cannot see the issue with our mix I really can't. It is high fiber chaff (and not lucerne) and really the only difference is that instead of wheat middlings we have oats and barley as the main grains in the mix. Now oats and barley are whole grains they are easily digestible and are high in fiber and technically the only major difference is that instead of alfalfa or timothy chaff in the mix, we use wheaten, oaten or barley due to the fact you cannot get the above hays in Australia but also the chaff we use is high in fiber anyhow.

Anyhow ok i guess this is a bit of a debate/whinge but I just cannot see all the fuss.

The other part i find amazing about it all in general is that in the natural wild world of piggies they would not be living in a vegetable garden oddly enough they would be nibbling on mostly high fiber grasses and grains etc.

Definitely I am not stating piggies shouldn't have vegetables naturally we need to supplement our piggies with veg for their vit c in particular....i guess my point being that I cannot see why these particular vets are dead against even the grain mix that we are feeding which is entirely FINE in my eyes.

I do aggree with the fact that the majority of mixes on the market are crap we all know that here...but i guess I'm moreso stumped that even after an explanation of our feed I'm still being told it's unacceptable.

Ok whinge over lol.... I won't ever not be supplying my piggies their piggy mix that we make through here I feel it is aboslutely fine, I have the years of experience to prove that it dosn't upset digestion etc and I persdonally believe that a decent mix can add that extra overall condition to a piggy. I like a nice solid piggy and I feel that our mix contributes to their overall condition by adding a bit more variety than just plain hay and veg. It is still high fiber but again just adding more variety...

lol ok rant over...I'm truly stumped on this. I am against many grain mixes but I am just not understanding how one can condemn our mix when it is EXACTLY what the dr ordered so to speak...

jess

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Jun 1 09 5:07 PM

Oh just to add on my other thought was to cut out the Barastoc mix we use and to just say do oats, barley and chaff in bulk and mix together or wheat middlings and chaff but then the bad part would be that the piggies wouldn't be getting the vitamin and mineral supplements like the oxbow pellets for instance. Again I've just checked the barastoc mix i feed and every mineral/vit is exactly the same as that of the oxbow cavy cuisine pellets....so yeah must say It was kind of refreshing to read in a way. Only downfall is the small amount of sunflower seeds that can come in some of the barastoc mixes....it'd be awesome if their was a way to create a bulk mix through them with one or two items removed from the mix...

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Jun 1 09 8:22 PM

I don't really want to debate whether grain mixes are good or bad - I fed a variety of grain mixes for many years (Breeder's Choice) with little problem but the occasional urinary infection from the lucerne chaff.

However, I have now changed to Oxbow mainly for the health of Gracie (it's easier with only three pigs, of course!). The difference I've noticed in Grace's coat since I switched to mainly Oxbow is remarkable. Jess, remember how it was really coarse and wiry? She's now beautifully soft. I still feed a couple of tablespoons of grain mix in with the pellets because I know Gracie loves it. One negative is that she lost a bit of weight on the Oxbow, which isn't that great because she's a small pig, but I know she used to sit at the bowl of grain mix ALL day and eat herself stupid.

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Jun 1 09 11:26 PM

When rachel came out of surgery this will sound really weird but i had her on oxbow only and she lost quite a bit of weight and seemed different then i put her back on her normal stuff and gained the weight back. I wanted to mention this but wasn't sure on stats but i do notice alot of pigs just on veg and hay tend to be a bit linkier in general but i don't put that down to the hay I do agree hay should make up the majority of the diet and even the pigs here get tonnes of hay daily.

I think that's one of the biggest issues the lucerne chaff in the mixes could indeed cause URI's in some piggies and then there's also the birdseed type mixes which are a worry in particular.

My main debate i guess is moreso regarding the mix that the ACS Shelters feed. But it really is a tough debate all round. I don't want to or intend to debate the vets recommendations lol I moreso I guess just didn't like the fact they immediately fobbed the mix off just because it had the word 'guinea pig mix' in it when our mix is very high fiber and nutrients esp compared to most mixes on the market. lol Kylie considering a vet is visiting in a few weeks time this was actually my main concern with the visit. I know it will be brought up lol. I'm gonna really sit down and do more research over the next few weeks for interest sake more than anything.

Most of the piggies that come in here for treatment I'll add the oxbow cuisine to ad vit c tabs because there's smaller numbers they get a tad spoilt on oxbow hehe.

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Jun 2 09 1:46 AM

enchantingcavy wrote:
technically the only major difference is that instead of alfalfa or timothy chaff in the mix, we use wheaten, oaten or barley due to the fact you cannot get the above hays in Australia but also the chaff we use is high in fiber anyhow.


Jess, just a point to note: we do get alfalfa in Australia because alfalfa is lucerne. Lucerne = alfalfa = red clover so these are all the same thing.
A very important note is that alfalfa/lucerne is also NOT useful for piggies to grind teeth like grassy hays. All grasses (oat, wheat, barley, fresh lawn grasses) all contain silica which is the main "ingredient" that does the grinding down of teeth.
The high calcium content of lucerne does not contribute to the grinding properties of the hay.

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Jun 2 09 1:54 AM

Jess, I’m totally with you on feeding grain mixes to shelter pigs. I don’t think it’s economically viable for you to feed all those little mouths the Oxbow food, and I do hope that the vet can see this as well. Unless someone is willing to GIVE the pellets to the shelter (yeah right). I think research is also a good idea so you can show the vet EXACTLY what is in your feeds compared to the pet store versions.

However, maybe a compromise would be to try and get an account with Oxbow so you can sell the food as an option for people at the shelter — they can choose whether they want to buy it, but at least then they can investigate all of the different feeds out there???

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Jun 2 09 2:14 AM

Ooh, yeh, lets find that rich benefactor who can donate lots of Oxbow pellets!!! In our dreams!
The grain mixes are fine. Given that the pellets are simply made from the same/similar base ingredients anyway (except the Timothy), I can't see a single problem providing we get the protein/fibre/nutrient balance right. My piggies certainly gain condition on these mixes...and the greedy ones gain too much condition LOL

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Jun 2 09 3:30 AM

I also dont have a problem with our mix... if there was a different type of grain feed to use with good benefits then I would switch and mix them into my chaff blend but until then - Im really happy with it.

I have just started using prime wheaten chaff as well as my normal oaten/grassy blend. I have noticed a really big difference in my own fat girls since adding the wheaten - they are definately much bigger in a small amount of time.
It is really good for the skinny, undernourished shelter piggies and they totally love my mix as well.
I definately wouldnt go without it - my pigs love it too much and Im happy to make it up for them every day - been adding in rolled oats as well lately.

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